More on PKRSER, aka Partygaming, and the credit card data it wants - and where you got scammed
A very interesting collection of information building up now about credit card frauds carried out using PKRSER.COM - aka Partygaming. (Some background on my earlier post about PKRSER; the comments are cogent too.) Just for info: PKRSER.COM is the payment side of Partygaming, an online gambling site.
But first, enjoy this graph of Partygaming’s share price, from the London Stock Exchange, for the past year (the orange line is a continuous moving average):
Sorry it’s so big, but I can’t seem to resize it. Anyhow, wonderful dip in the share price last September; another one, less visible, the other day on the realisation that PG had withdrawn from France, reckoned to be at most 5% of its market. (This is the page with the details, which you can play with - it’s rather neat, and pleasing to find LSE doing such good stuff.)However, Britain - and scammers using British credit cards on it - is still a working market. So where are the details of those credit cards that are scammed and used there collected?
For instance, if someone clones your credit card at a petrol station, is that enough?
I emailed PG’s support to ask what credit card details they require from people creating an account. They responded:
Amount
Card number
Card Expiration date
CVV2/Security card code
Card type
First name
Last name
Country
State/Territory
City
Address registered on card
Postal code
Now, a petrol station cloner could get the card number, security code and perhaps name(s). But they’ll not be able to get the address and postcode (unless the scammers are even more sophisticated than we thought, and have people inside the credit card companies who can get them the address details from the card.)
Occam’s Razor suggests that it’s not petrol stations. The only place you’ll be giving out those details are… er, pretty much any credit card transaction you do when you’re not there. On the phone? You get asked the security code, and your address and so on. (Though you only get asked the name on the card. But of course you’re usually giving your full name so something can be sent to you..)
Sorry not to be more hopeful. The problem is that “card-not-present” transactions now demand so many details that they can easily be grabbed.
Even so, I do think PRKSER - Partygaming - could do more to identify the hands where the complained-about cards get used, and identify patterns of illegal behaviour. In the meantime, we’ll just have to watch that share price keep dropping.
- These posts might be related (the database thinks..):
- How banks and credit card companies tweak you: brand new ways (8 February 2007; score: 102.58%)
- Another reason to hate online poker sites: credit card fraud and its effects (14 November 2006; score: 82.91%)
- Yeah, sure, just send the phone anywhere. Who cares where they say they live? (6 March 2008; score: 58.39%)
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April 22nd, 2007 at 3:04 pm
I AHVE BEN SCAMMED BY THIS BUNCH OF SCUM BAGS THEY SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF BUISNESS IMMEDIATELEY AS THEY ARE SCUM
April 24th, 2007 at 6:55 am
Me too…….PKSR rinsed my credit card clean. They need to fucking ban those online gambling sites !!!!!!! If not they should do it like they do here in Canada and have a one sday limit of 50 CAD ect… these guys were able to run right until credit limit with no questions……..
May 31st, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Somebody used my Creditcard to, I got my invoice today and somebody used it on may 4 for 365 eur the transaction was made by pkrser.com. I have blocked my creditcard today and my bank wil do an investigation. I realy dont know how they got my details. I use my card only at dependable sites where i often buy things.
June 15th, 2007 at 6:27 pm
they got me for 500 us. credit card company is looking into it.
September 19th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Snap,
They should cut their thieving dirty hands off and piss on the bloody stumps
Then they should tracetheipof the fraudster and rip his head off
Fucked my card over for £1000 which is~ $1900-$2000
April 20th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
what a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 6th, 2008 at 1:43 am
same here…without getting online at all, 8:52 am they completed transaction for AUD480something but my bank was quick to dispute it and now we will see how it goes from here…AU guys beware too, it is all over the world! You don’t loose it online only!
May 31st, 2008 at 10:25 am
I am a single mum who had been saving to take my kids to eurodisney,i am also a foster carer who has brought up other peoples children for the last 12 years,,yesterday someone cleared my bank account to play poker!! Do they not realise the upset they cause,i havnt even got a penny left to feed my kids this weekend!!I havent stopped crying since this happened.They are SCUMBAGS!!
May 31st, 2008 at 10:29 am
Forgot to say,they took £646.00 in 4 transactions over a 24 hour period!!And the bank never thought to phone me!!
October 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
My card got savaged by these unsavory types. Personally nerve gas is to good for them…
November 16th, 2008 at 10:22 am
partygaming is secure.
they are not gooing to scam you.
theres that many bored stupid people on the net come here and make things up.
ive used partypoker and my cc transfer many times and never had any issues.
November 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am
and if you did loose money off your card and were billed by them it is that you have studpidly entered your card details on another phishing site and there ya go .
November 16th, 2008 at 11:15 pm
@James - sorry, but I’ve never been phished: of that I’m confident. My card details have been used fraudulently, and one of the fraudulent transactions was to PKRSR.com. I don’t play poker or other throw-away-your-money games online.
The suggestion isn’t that Partygaming is scamming me intentionally, but that it doesn’t take enough care to check details that are entered. For mine, the first and second names were reversed - any decent check would have pointed that up. How odd that they preferred to take the money rather than rejecting the card. Plus it was claimed this was a new account and couldn’t have more than a certain amount of money; and yet what I saw was that a lot of money went out for this supposedly new account.
And it didn’t try hard enough - and certainly didn’t help me *at all* - to identify where the fraud happened. You’ve not been scammed? How nice for you. Plenty of people here have.
December 27th, 2008 at 4:26 am
iam in australia and got done by these people.
They attempted 11 times to use the card then 2 transactions went through for $400USD and $300USD.
The bank has now put in a dispute which will take 45 days to get the money back.
April 2nd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Ive been scammed too, £500 to be exact!! If i ever met the tossers who took my money and left me with £1.80 for me and my 9month old child to live on id fucking kill them! Scumbags dont even slightly explain them!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
I have just had £141 taken from my account and the bank are looking into it. The thing is form past experience nothing seems to get done.
September 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
What are the actions to be taken if they have done it once to my account? Will bank put the ban on them???
Never used that website, but got scammed 30GBP.
September 13th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
they phoned my local take away pretending to be bank and asked for card number of last transaction put through on visa machine they got over 300 on me
November 5th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I have just had £300 taken from my back from pkrser
November 17th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
how does transfer my monney from pkrser.com?
September 8th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
got two transactions of £350 taken from my account bloody scumbags this has been happening for years and they do nothing….
November 18th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Four days ago they have taken 740 euros from my count. I tried to contact them by email but I didn’t receive any response.